Flyhomes CEO & Co-Founder: Tushar Garg

Summary

Tushar was born & raised in India to a stay-at-home mom and a father who was an engineer working for the government.  After high school, Tushar got his computer science degree from the Indian Institute of Technology.  During his time in college, he became fascinated with machine learning, so he started asking around his school to see if anyone was offering research-based internships in machine learning.  He got connected to a professor in Italy that was offering an internship.  After a while in Italy, his professor suggested he go to the U.S. and work for her twin sister who was also a professor at the University of Minnesota to pursue his PhD.  That's how Tushar landed in the U.S.

He then went on to move to the pacific northwest to work for Microsoft.  Eventually, he became Chief of Staff before leaving to go back and get an MBA from Northwestern.  One of his classmates and good friends, Steve Lane, suggested they start a business around helping homeowners save energy in their homes.  They conducted some research and realized that the reason people don’t make investments to save energy in their homes is because it takes too long to recoup the energy upgrades.  They did find another problem though, and that problem would be the beginning of Flyhomes.  The typical homebuyer doesn’t have much transparency and ease with buying a home, so Flyhomes gives homebuyers more transparency and helps people buy homes much more easily through machine learning and technology.

Today, Flyhomes has over 200 employees and has raised over $140 million to disrupt the home-buying process.

Podcast Transcript

Note:  There may be errors to this transcript (some funny, some confusing - we used an automated transcription software!)

00:00:01 Ash Faraj: Hey, it’s Ash. Today’s guest is Tushar Garg, CEO and Co-Founder of Flyhomes. You want to be sure to stick around for the whole story today. Tushar talks about how he landed in the US because of a mutual connection. He talks about leaving academia and going in the corporate world to work for Microsoft where he eventually became the Chief of Staff there and how he and his business partner started the Flyhomes by accident.

00:00:26 Ash Faraj: Welcome to Season 3 of ExecuTalks. It’s the podcast that connects you with today’s top executives. You will hear interesting childhood stories. Stories of extreme setbacks and disappointments and ultimately hear the story behind how these top executives were able to build an amazing career for themselves.

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00:01:08 Ash Faraj: Tushar was born and raised in India to a stay-at-home mom and a father who was an engineer working for the government. He admits his father had a huge impact in shaping his life principles. His grandmother also played a critical role in his life. He always felt like he got so much love and affection from her that he didn’t seek it elsewhere. Now, Tushar was also the oldest child in his generation, which he shares really helped him learn leadership early on in his life.

00:01:35 Tushar Garg: I’d say, I had a very fortunate childhood in a sense that I got a lot of love in my childhood which, you know, not everybody has an opportunity to get for a variety of reasons. So when I look back, I feel very grateful for it. So I was the only child in my generation pretty much across the whole family and even extended family. So there was just a lot of excitement around sort of being that. And my grandmother, you know, very quickly I would say, I became like my grandmother’s favorite from the childhood. There was just a level of connection that I had with my grandmother which gave me the space where she made me feel like I was awesome. Not that I believed that, but I think everybody needs a big cheerleader in their lives and somebody who’s going to love them despite all their faults. And my grandmother was that person for me from the very beginning. So that does set the tone for a level of self-confidence that I think is intrinsic to building and becoming an entrepreneur. My mother came from a business family. My father came from a family which was in services, being in a position he could help a lot of people. And something that he never just operated from a place where he wanted to make impact only from macro level but also at an individual level and always treated each person as such, whether it was a family or people who were associated with us. So I think growing up in that household, I would say, was absolutely one of the most defining features.

00:03:07 Ash Faraj: After high school, Tushar got his Computer Science degree from the Indian Institute of Technology. During his time in college, he became fascinated with machine learning. So he started asking around his school, professors, students to see if anyone was offering research-based internships in machine learning. Through a mutual connection, he got connected to a professor in Italy that was offering an internship. So he went there to Italy to work for a professor and gained deep knowledge with machine learning something he was deeply passionate about. Here’s the interesting part. His professor that was in Italy suggested that he go to the US and work for her twin-sister, who was also a professor, at the University of Minnesota to pursue his Ph.D. As you will hear from Tushar, it’s good to have a plan but taking a step back and thinking about the opportunities presented to you at times and being flexible and somewhat spontaneous can often lead to great outcomes.

00:03:59 Tushar Garg: When I went to my graduate school, I think the interesting thing for me was… I was one of the… So for my undergraduate in IIT, I picked up a book from Tom M. Mitchell from CMU, the professor on machine learning. It wasn’t the thing in my idea at that point, but one of the professors had a book there. I couldn’t keep the book down. I was like, “Wow, this machine learning is so cool. I need to learn more about it.” So basically, I ended up getting an internship in machine learning with a professor in Italy and she was an amazing professor, Gini. She and I had a great summer together. That was the first time I went out of India, and I had a chance to live in Europe for three months. And her twin sister -- they’re both Stanford Ph.D.’s -- was at the University of Minnesota. So I’d actually never heard of Minnesota before. And she was like, “Hey, you should think about doing a Ph.D. and they’re working with Mayo Clinic, which is a phenomenal institute of course, and doing research in bioinformatics, brain research. What if you think about a Ph.D. there?” That’s kind of how I got to know of Minnesota and connected with a professor who’s head of department there, Professor Vipin Kumar, and was fortunate to get admission to U of M and was considering actually a Ph.D. So I came out to do a Ph.D. at the University of Minnesota.

00:05:15 Ash Faraj: Did you finish your Ph.D.?

00:05:19 Tushar Garg: I did not finish my Ph.D. but I found my wife, you know, from [indiscernible] was from Wisconsin there. You know, it’s good to have a plan and you can have a North Star and an approximate idea of where you want to go. Then you also have to be spontaneous because great opportunities show up. Then you sort of go for it. That was much more true for my final story in terms of how I became an entrepreneur than the Minnesota story, but there’s a flavor of that in that story as well. But as I was doing the Ph.D., when I came to do a Ph.D., I was intrigued for machine learning and I really enjoyed my time at the lab. But growing up in a household where my dad had a variety of different problems that he was solving -- he was more of an operator, you know, more in the government world -- and I thought, and even today, I believe the government is a massive canvas and you can touch so many people’s lives. Through government there’s a level of excitement that I had growing up in the household to make an impact with the polity of India at some point. And as I started reflecting after being here for a couple of years in the US in terms of what I want to do, it felt like that I would like to go back at some point and contribute, you know, in the policy-making side of things. And I didn’t know exactly what that meant. Would I really like it or not? And then I felt like, in order to think for that path, I need more business experience and more, you know, rounding of my skill sets from a business perspective.

00:06:46 Ash Faraj: So Tushar was deeply involved in research at the University of Minnesota, and he started to openly discuss options with his professor. He felt like at some point he wanted to go back to India and contribute to public policy much like his father had done in his career. But he also felt he needed some experience in the corporate world, so his professor advised that he take a sabbatical and explore options. Tushar actually landed a job at Microsoft.

00:07:09 Tushar Garg: So I talked to my professor. The data that we were looking to collect, we were writing grants for it. It was going to take a while to come and Professor Kumar was super supportive. So he said, “Why don’t you take a sabbatical and see if you like some opportunity in the private sector.” Microsoft came along. It was the first and only interview I gave. I had an opportunity to join Microsoft and came out to Microsoft which started to change the course. It was a totally different world and absolutely phenomenal people to work with. Started in Office for about a year, you know ship Office 2010, but then I ended up going to the Core Ranking Team in Bing which was really fascinating because we were the underdogs. You know, despite being in Microsoft, it is very entrepreneurial. You’re trying to compete with Google which is so far ahead. I was a PM for the main algorithm, basically it’s called Core Ranking Team in Bing. I had the chance to be the PM for that team and worked with some of the most fantastic people there for three years. And then after, you know, decided that I was looking at public policy or MBA, so applied back to do two applications for both MBA and Public Policy. So took a sabbatical. Maybe a theme of my life is that every time, you know, it’s not clear -- I’m going in this direction and I take a step back and sort of reflect and say, “Okay, what exactly do I want to do?” Then just try to go do a quick experiment to validate my own hypothesis in terms of where I want to lead myself. So I took another sabbatical, which Microsoft was amazing about, to go and work with a member of parliament in India before going to the MBA, and to see if I wanted to be in public policy at this point or not. This made it much more real for me that I like solving problems. There’s amazing problems in the business space. While public policy was a North Star for me, it didn’t feel like it’s the direction I want to go right now. It was more of an intellectual interest, less of the space I wanted to be in.

00:09:08 Ash Faraj: So after almost 6 years at Microsoft, Tushar decided that he would leave Microsoft to take another sabbatical in order to think about what he wanted to do next. He still had urges of going back to his roots in India and contributing through public policy, but he didn’t feel certain. So during his sabbatical, Tushar got an opportunity to work for a member of parliament in India, which was an experience that made him realize that at that point in his life his interests were really in solving problems in the context of business.

00:09:35 Tushar Garg: I went to back and started doing my MBA at Kellogg. I showed up there. McKinsey was my dream role because it satisfied both the worlds of business and even public policy together. You know, it gave you… You could work in the public sector. You can bring in the business knowledge to the public sector, so it felt like this is probably my dream job. I was fortunate to get the opportunity for my dream job. But I’ve always had this theme in life and, you know, the same thing even with my marriage to Krista. I never thought I would marry somebody from Wisconsin. I think in many ways this is just like these that define you as a person, and I’m happy to talk about that more so, but you have a plan. It’s important to have a plan, but it’s also important to have the flexibility to see something great that comes along and that you can be part of and actually kind of go for it, right? So being in a business world environment, I had actually never imagined myself being an entrepreneur. I always thought of myself as more of a corporate leader ‘till the point I went to business school. And when I look back  -- and there’s lots of stories in childhood that I can talk about where I was very, very entrepreneurial; like starting a cricket league in my hometown, or being part of the first hockey team, [indiscernible] hockey, or we took a technical festival do almost 10x the budget in one year and I was the head of the sponsorship committee for that. So I’ve done a lot of these events in the past and I’ve really enjoyed them.

00:11:00 Ash Faraj: So after graduating with his MBA, Tushar had a full-time offer from McKinsey and Company, one of the world’s most prestigious consulting firms. He had done a summer internship there prior to graduating, so he had already felt like it was a great mixture of solving policy problems as well as solving business problems. This is where he wanted to be. He loved getting the best of both worlds. It was his dream job. But before accepting the offer, one of his classmates and good friend Steve Lane suggested that they start a business around helping homeowners save energy in their homes. Tushar enjoyed working with Steve, so they both did some research and realized that the reason people don’t make investments to save energy in their homes is because it takes too long to recoup the energy upgrades. They did find another problem though and that problem would be the beginning of Flyhomes. The typical home buyer doesn’t have much transparency and ease with buying a home. So Flyhomes gives home buyers more transparency and helps people buy homes much more easily through using machine learning and technology.

00:11:57 Tushar Garg: Still, coming back to business school you meet amazing people. I met Steve, my co-founder. He met me before the McKinsey interviews and said he’d taken a class project together to figure out how to save energy in every house and start a company. And I said, “Steve, I’m looking to go to McKinsey.” But he’s like, “Just take a class project with me and let’s just get growing together.” So we were four of us. We did the class project together, trying to figure out how can we save energy in every house and we build a company around that. We quickly realized -- two of us stayed, Steve and I, after that and we realized -- that people don’t upgrade energies in the houses because capital investment doesn’t get recouped in time. And the housing market is basically opaque to the energy upgrades, so nobody pays you back for it. So then the next natural question for me, having done ML in the past life for us, how do I make housing market become more transparent? So what are the other things in the housing market that people are opaque to? For instance, what’s the discount for the road noise, what’s the premium for the view, how do you think of one layout versus the other layout, how can you make the housing market a little bit more transparent? So we started, we pivoted, to sort of solve that problem. In order to do that, we got a broker’s license just so that we can have the access to the data to do fun things with it. Out of the Hackathon back at IIT for like a hundred bucks, we built some really fun model with the price money. At that point, we were building this ML company. I’ve got an opportunity at McKinsey. I didn’t join McKinsey. I did a summer internship with McKinsey and had the offer to go back. Again, this was one of those crossroads in my life. I was like, okay, which way would I go? But I was really enjoying just solving problems and just working on your own space and i-training, that whole initial phase if you will. So I came out of McKinsey, working on a start-up. We were trying to predict and build an ML company, but we have a brokerage license. And then -- I’ve appreciated your hustle Ash, where -- as you’re building the company, sometimes you don’t even know exactly which direction you would go. Steve, by the way, Steve he knew that he wanted to have a company. His application from the Kellogg said, “I don’t care if it’s my idea or somebody else’s idea, I just want to build a company.” I think something in that resolution was absolutely phenomenal. So I wouldn’t be an entrepreneur without Steve and without the [indiscernible] that he was bringing in.

00:14:23 Tushar Garg: So I just enjoyed working with him a lot. Basically, I came out of McKinsey. I was helping my ex-boss at Microsoft prepare a presentation for Selfcare, the CEO at that point. So he wanted my help, and he was going to buy a house that weekend. I was like, “Oh, you’re buying a house?” His name is Salloh, he’s the first customer. “Why don’t we just help you buy a house because you’re bootstrapping the college students at the moment. We try to build this ML company, but it’d be really nice to actually take a few buyers through the process. I was going to be here for a quarter. We will get a little bit of money so that we can kind of bootstrap.” So he took a chance on us, and he said, “Do you know what you’re doing?” I’m like, “I have no idea, but Steve is a JD MBA.” I used to live in a basement of a realtor. You know, he’s like a grandpa for us, Grandpa Tom. So I said, “Look, Tom can help. We have a training on Monday about how to run a basic growth purchase so that it’ll be in compliance with data. We can get you to come to the training with us, and we can help. And then Steve’s is a JD MBA and Steve is licensed.” So in a very short order, we talk about this. He took a chance on us.

00:15:26 Tushar Garg: This is one thing I would say for people in their early careers. You’re building a great, great asset from people you work with. I think we often underestimate how much impact folks have, not only in teaching us who we want to be and how do we become better and how do we grow?Like, I wouldn’t have thought that my ex-manager at Microsoft would be playing such a critical role in getting Flyhomes started, right? I wouldn’t even have started this if he [indiscernible] didn’t take a chance. But we just had a great relationship, and we had a phenomenal time working. You know, I cared for him. I wanted to do the right things through the last day at Microsoft just because it’s a little bit of the founder’s mentality, I think, or owner’s mentality. No matter what job you join, what you do, I think it’s important to feel like you’re the owner. How would you do it if you owned the company? Only in the hindsight, I realized that I always thought of it that way no matter which company was I at or how big Microsoft was or the group or whatever I was accountable for. I felt like I want to do my best in that. He thought we could do this. He said this, “If I can trust you with this presentation, I can trust you with this. The worst case will be that I will lose the house and buy another one.” So I was really appreciative, and he just kind of took a chance. So we showed him the house that day. The first house he saw, he actually liked it. I didn’t think it was the right house for him. So literally, I said, “You should not buy this house.” In the meeting, Stephen [audio gap] Chicago. Steve set, I think, four or five houses that he could look at while he was there, so that emotionally he could move on and say, “Okay, there are other options.” And I said, “Look, you’re not lose this house to you. Tom was also there, and he was a realtor for many years. So we said, “We will engage with the realtor just to make sure that we keep you updated if the house is going to go away, but let’s show you more houses.” Steve flew out that night to Chicago and was there the next morning to show him a lot of houses. And then Monday -- So Saturday is when we got started on this, but Monday we sold the first house. That was a level of hustle but also putting the customer at the heart of it. Just because you were doing it early, we didn’t want him to have anything in fear as an experience.

00:17:32 Tushar Garg: So basically, we just learned really fast and went with it. There were two different offers on the table, and he happened to be a cash buyer. So we actually ended up having the edge that way and were able to get him a house on Monday and contract. So that’s kind of how we went from trying to build a machine learning company to actually helping people buy houses. What happened after that is, I was like, this is kind of fun. It'll be fun for me to get help 5, 7, 10 families buy houses, and that way I can learn what data do people want. As I sort of went through the process -- and every purchase is a story -- I had no bias coming into the industry. I had no idea how this should work or how it was supposed to work. So everything was like, “Why is it done this way? Why it couldn’t be better?” And then finally the idea that trust is so fundamentally broken in the system where the sellers want [indiscernible] and speed of closing because it’s one of the biggest investments they’re doing in their life. But most buyers can’t provide that and sellers and listing agents will ultimately end up choosing cash offer, preferable well-qualified buyers at even lower prices. It just didn’t make sense. We just felt like a very ineffective market and so we felt that we could solve that. We could give our buyers an edge, and then everything from counseling to how do you help buyers make decisions. It just became such an interesting problem that we felt the data in machine learning was only a part of it. It was a tool to help people make better decisions and have better outcomes. But the process of home buying itself with putting the consumers at the heart of it wasn’t done yet. So that sort of became the mission and that’s what we’ve been on for the last five years.

00:19:05 Ash Faraj: The people in our lives can have such a big impact on our career decisions and career success, especially our spouse. Now, Tushar met his wife while he was going to school at the University of Minnesota, and it played a key role in him deciding to get his MBA in the Midwest where it was closer to his wife’s family. Now, growing up in India, he never thought he would marry cross-culturally. But it seems to be a theme in Tushar’s life where he just kind of allows life and its opportunities to flow without a rigid plan. The impact that his wife had in his career success is something Tushar does not take for granted.

00:19:40 Tushar Garg: My wife is from Wisconsin, grew up in a small town here in America. We’ve met... You know, we had different [indiscernible] race, and religion, our upbringing, our backgrounds. Growing up in India, I never thought I’ll be marrying cross-culturally this way. It’s just something you never imagined, and it was not very common in India to even have that. But I think, just as I said, the best things in life you might be going ahead in one direction and then you meet somebody else and it works great. And same way with entrepreneurship. I met Stephen, became an entrepreneur, never looked back, and thoroughly enjoyed it in the last five years. Becoming an entrepreneur was my decision. It wasn’t like my parents were like, “Oh, you should go do this.” It wasn’t a decision that anybody else was asking me to go do. It was my decision to go do. With Krista, I think, what was helpful was that I knew that she’d be very comfortable and she’s very encouraging and supportive of everything that I was doing. She would have been equally happy if was going to go to McKinsey at that point as well. I think she wanted for me to pursue what’s going to make me happy. Just having that, that’s a layer of comfort there. I think was… You can’t underplay it in any way. Building a support system of people who love you, who care for you along the way, whether it’s friends or -- You know, a lot of the early customers became like friends. They were like, “We’ve got to try to make you successful,” I think sort of started the foundation. That’s how we learned. It gave us a safe space to experiment and grow. I think it’s really critical that appreciating the help you’re getting and then also asking for help. I think both gratitude and humility to ask for help, I think, is one of the most critical virtues of being able to succeed, at least it spoke to my case.

00:21:17 Ash Faraj: How do you think someone should decide whether or not to start a company?

00:21:21 Tushar Garg: I think don’t do it just because it’s a cool thing to do I guess I would say, right? So, you know, I’ve seen people want to become entrepreneurs because it feels like something that you got to go do, but I think -- as you could tell -- to take anything to make it successful you need a lot of resilience and commitment to sort of keep doing it. So what my advice would be get the right reasons of why you want to go do something. You don’t have to have the best idea because you can always pivot and learn and grow. As long as you have some kind of a direction idea and you’re willing and open, you will find the best idea. Some people know exactly the problem they want to solve, and they solve it, that’s when that’s phenomenal. More so, entrepreneurs generally start, just like the Steves’, where like, “I want to be an entrepreneur. I’m going to build a company.” Then you find a way to do it, but then be authentic to yourself.

00:22:13 Tushar Garg: Again, as I said, in this road there will be a lot of limiting things that are going to come your way. So it’s important to recognize what is your … what are you comfortable with? So you define your baseline. Just make sure that you’re secure in that place that you don’t operate from a place of fear but operate from a place of opportunity. So that’s the other thing that I would say that, generally speaking, the risk of being an entrepreneur is not that high as people think it is because you get tremendous learnings. There’s a lot of joy. You could define exactly what the risk is. The risk of the opportunity costs of not becoming an entrepreneur, not pursuing sort of what you want to do, is actually much higher. But we, as human beings, are very loss averse. We end up tuning in much more around the risk that we can see, but not the risk that we cannot see. So I think this is a very phenomenal pursuit and it’s a great... It’s been one of the greatest joys of my life, trying to build a company. But it’s important to then make sure that your baseline is covered and you feel secure because there’s going to be a journey that’s going to take resilience and, you know, persistence to kind of keep building.

00:23:17 Ash Faraj: Did you ever feel like you were taking a risk that was too big and how do you assess risk?

00:23:24 Tushar Garg: Like the first class in Kellogg was around loss aversion, which gave a framework with this thinking that I always used to have, where I was in tune with more of the opportunity costs as long as I could quantify the risk and say this is what things are. So I think the conscious thinking process where you’re willing to go for the opportunity. It doesn’t mean that you don’t understand the downside, or you don’t take the risk. This is where too many people make a mistake, where they’re not willing to acknowledge the risk. It’s almost a bravado feeling that you want to go for something versus the way I’ve always perceived it as become authentic about the risk, you know. Understand exactly what the downsides are.  Get comfortable with that. Know this could happen, the worst case I’m okay with that. And that’s where, I think, the true fear dissipates. You can now actually act on the risk and all the opportunity and kind of grow. So, yeah, I think that’s the premise behind even Flyhomes. If you think of the homebuying process, the sellers choose the cash offers because there is a lot of fear that the buyer would fail because of lack of information, what they’ve heard from their colleagues. Most buyers will not fail as long as you do the due diligence and make sure that things are okay. But we know who our buyers are, so we can take the risk away from industry which fundamentally means that the industry becomes a lot better. It’s like a credit card swipe for real estate. When you go to buy something you just swipe the credit card, the seller gets paid, they know they’re going to get the money, you as a buyer can then go back and pay, so it’s a similar notion. So we’ve literally built our whole company on this idea of fear versus risk and optimize for risk and solve for risk and simplify the fear from there.

00:24:58 Ash Faraj: Hey, thank you for sticking around and listening to Tushar’s story. We’re now at the last segment of our show called “Connection Session Questions” where we ask questions that allow you to get to know our guest on a much deeper level.

00:25:13 Ash Faraj: If you were to meet the 25-year-old Tushar, what advice would you give to him?

00:25:18 Tushar Garg: My twenties is a really critical time to set up the foundation for how your thirties and forties and fifties are going to be. Like for us, with two kids, it feels like you’re in war time. Twenties was like the peace time. Any peace time preparation really helps the war times. So while you should really enjoy the twenties, I wish that I would have just developed much more discipline around like daily practice. I wish I would have just done it ten years ago, got going with that, right? So it’s a good time to build authentical habits.

00:25:50 Ash Faraj: What in your life do you feel like has given you the greatest sense of fulfillment?

00:25:54 Tushar Garg: I think the deepest sense of fulfillment comes when you can make a meaningful difference in somebody’s life. I think many, many moments like that have happened in my life, fortunately. You know, having a younger brother, I think, going back to sort of the most happy moment was when I saw him come to life. Seeing the impact that I could have as an older brother in his life and helping him sort of grow on the trajectory that he’s growing, I think was awesome. Homebuyers I got a chance to work with directly and personally and seeing their families get into homes. Many of them didn’t believe it was possible. We leveled the playing field. Being in touch with many of them right now and seeing how far the families have come, I think, is absolutely deep and meaningful.

00:26:34 Ash Faraj: If you could be remembered for just one thing, what would you want that to be?

00:26:38 Tushar Garg: [indiscernible] It’s just like if you work like a garden. You kind of came in here and you found it. I think it’s really critical to enjoy the universe. If you go to a beautiful garden you want to enjoy it, but you want to leave it a little bit better than you found it.

00:26:55 Ash Faraj: In your opinion, what is the most important life skill?

00:26:59 Tushar Garg: I think it’s maybe the ability to let go. You’ve played to the last point. You play fair. You strategize, you innovate, and if you win, your win is great. If you don’t win, you learn how to let go of that, so that you can move on to the next game and play better next time. I think that in my mind, that is the core strength behind resilience because you know at some point you can’t control the outcomes 100 percent. I think things are going to play the way they would, but it doesn’t mean that you give up. To the extent that you can solve the problems, you’re fully engaged to do it. But you let go of the result and you don’t hold on to the grievance in the past and you move forward. I think that just makes for a much more fun life and allows you to bounce back.

00:27:47 Ash Faraj: By letting go, you also mean forgiveness, right?

00:27:50 Tushar Garg: I think any forgiveness is a big part of that, a hundred percent, because at the end of the day at some point you’re just hurting yourself if you can’t forgive. If I look back, I don’t have too many grievances with too many people. I think it is very few people where you know I might not have let go of something, or even not just people but like even life in general. These things that life throws at you because most people go through lots of highs and lows. Things don’t always go to plan, but I found generally speaking things kind of work out. For that you need persistence and resilience and know that things are not going all the time according to how you exactly want it to be. So not getting too caught up in the result, not getting too caught up in to sometimes when you got it wrong, whether it was bad luck or whether it was somebody who didn’t do the right thing for you. Most fundamentally, I think, being able to move on from that and look at the brighter side of life, I think, is really critical.

00:28:42 Ash Faraj: And the last one is, if you were stranded on an island and had access to one meal, what would that meal be for you?

00:28:48 Tushar Garg: I think I would like to catch a nice fresh fish and learn how to actually have a nice sashimi and create it for myself. So Japanese, I think, would be the way to go.

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